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Aimee Byrd's avatar

Here we go again...I'm praying for the Mize family. The language I am seeing in character assassination is all too familiar. It's not of God. And honestly, I'm exhausted from the whole act of trying to prove God's love for women and our worth. I know the work needs to be done, but too many have revealed themselves in the OPC that they refuse to see. And worse, too many others have revealed themselves that they choose to enable blindness and cruelty. Who is protected in the OPC? Who is valued? Who gets the glory?

Aaron Hann's avatar

Wow these arguments for patriarchy. It’s baffling how baffled these men get over people rejecting such “clear” doctrine. Ironically, with Van Doodeward’s cherry-picking any and every positive mention of “father” and “patriarch,” and alongside his diagnosis of rejecting patriarchy as demonic, he completely misses the possibility of satanic patriarchy:

John 8:43-44 “Why don't you understand what I say? Because you cannot listen to my word. [44] You are of your father the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies.”

Maybe, just maybe, it is patriarchy that is demonic, not the rejection of patriarchy.

Also, given his claim that Jesus endorsed patriarchy merely because he called God Father citing John 5, I thought it worth adding this quote from Mary Coloe. Agreeing with you and Mize, the Father-Son relationship is about mutual abiding/unitive love, not hierarchical rule.

“The household model as imaged in the language of the Fourth Gospel essentially deconstructs the patriarchal household model of antiquity, since It takes as its point of reference the divine communion. The Fourth Gospel, while using "father-son" terminology, reconstitutes the relationship as a dynamism of mutual self-giving love. In turn, although Jesus can rightly be called kyrios, he acts in loving service in washing the feet of disciples, he calls members of the household "friends," and he gives the ultimate sign of love unto death. We do not have within this household a hierarchy of leadership other than the leadership of faith and love, seen particularly in the female characters of the Samaritan woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdalene, and also the Beloved Disciple, who remains anonymous and in his anonymity includes all beloved disciples, women and men.”

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